Message #1118

From: Andras Ecseki <>
Subject: Re: [MC4D] mc5d solved
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:13:37 -0700

Instead of trying to explain LBL method by myself (with all my poor english), you may check this site (or you can browse the net for more, I’m sure you’ll find several sites)

Btw, in my opinion, the most logical method for you is the one you use to solve the 3D cube… If you want to learn something you do not use on the 3D cube, you missed a stairstep, and that’s already illogic. The rubik’s-type puzzles make the same challenge in every dimension, to solve them, you just need to understand the figure, then apply your method you use on the 3D cube.

good luck with the mc5d!

— On Tue, 8/31/10, Jonathan Mecias <> wrote:

From: Jonathan Mecias <>
Subject: Re: [MC4D] mc5d solved
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:24 PM


lol i turn to roice, but im sure hes busy too! Andras Ecseki, what do u mean exactly when you say layer by layer method? Do you mean 1c pieces first then 2c pieces then 3c ect? or first layer then second then third from top to bottom? I’m working on this cube, but im too busy with school to continue. Although, I’m very curious as to how people tackle problems. Some ways, as we all may know, are more efficient than others. I like to read about the process of solving different problems, and finding the most logical. so, please share lol :)

ps wouldn’t it be nice to have shirts? like i donno a picture of the cube or hall of fame shirt lol. The first thing everyone thinks about is… "it would be nice if i had time and energy to do it, but i don’t lol." nice poem btw

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Andras Ecseki <> wrote:


"…I’m wondering if you or someone else might be interested to take a stab at making this page?"

<everyone turns the head towards Remi Q…>


— On Tue, 8/31/10, Roice Nelson <> wrote:

From: Roice Nelson <>
Subject: Re: [MC4D] mc5d solved

Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 5:43 PM


  Awesome, congrats on your solve, and on beating the old shortest by such a wide margin!  I've updated the Hall of Insanity with your achievement.<br>  <br> There hasn't been a Hall of Shortest for MC5D yet, though there are enough solutions at this point that it could certainly be worthwhile to have one.  I would prefer this to be managed collectively in a new page in the superliminal wiki, which I would link to, and so I'm wondering if you or someone else might be interested to take a stab at making this page?  It's not a huge deal either way.  If I manage it myself, I might simply highlight the current shortest solutions in the existing tables, using a different color or something...

Take Care,

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Andras <> wrote:

greetings from Hungary!

Yesterday evening I’ve finally finished solving the monster (file sent to Roice).

The log file shows 3916 moves, which means 3712 twists if we subtract the first 100 twists (scrumbled position) and the 104 rotating moves I did.

I’ve been using the good old layer by layer method. The first 2 layer required ca. 2000 twists. Then I "translated" my mc4d macros for the mc5d, and invented two 5c-macros (26 twist for switching three 5c piece, and 20 twist for rotating two 5c piece in their place) for the last layer.

I think it’s possible to break the 3000 twist limit with this method, since my macros usually switch three pieces, so one can solve two pieces simultaneously with them, but I made it easier for myself for the first try, and I solved only one piece at the same time.

(But there’s no way I’ll try this again in the near future).

(Btw, do we have a "hall of shortest" list for mc5d…? Roice held the record with 6112 moves till now.)

best regards and have a nice twist!

Ecseki András

PS.: "MC5D, MC5D, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

(sry William, couldn’t resist;-)