Message #450

From: markoram109 <markoram109@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Noel conquers the 4^5!
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:39:45 -0000

Many congratulations on your amazing achievement Noel! This is
excellent news and I trust you are enjoying all the buzz and
stisfaction you deserve with this effort. Being in the most
exclusive club possible (i.e. with one member) must be a great
feeling, although you may not get to enjoy the complete exculsivity
for too long (and no, I am not hinting that I have plans to climb
the 4x4x4x4x4 mounatain any time soon).

Two other (light-hearted) and general points also came to mind from
Melinda’s comments. Although I often believe we are not alone in
this universe I am happy to accept that we could be (just to make
you the ultimate 5-D Revenge solver!) but I wonder if there are (a)
viable 4-D, 5-D etc univserses that exist somewhere, and that (b)
beings from those places might be solving analogous cubes themselves.

Secondly, it is no mean feat for us 3-D beings to represent (and
then solve!) a 5-D cube in a format that our brains can deal with,
but I wonder if a 4-D being would find a 6-D cube, for example,
easier to solve (relatively speaking) than a 5-D cube is for us;
since maybe their (hyper)brains are ‘more geared’ to dealing with
extra dimensions. What do people think?

— In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, Melinda Green <melinda@…> wrote:
>
> Congratulations indeed!!
> This is definitely a tour de force, Noel. Congratulations on
setting a
> record that can never be taken from you. There is no question that
you
> are the first human being to perform this feat and for all we know
this
> may be the first time in the universe!
>
> One thing that I’m confused about is why you say that you won’t
face
> parity problems in the 5^5. Doesn’t the 5^5 contain the 4^5? I
know that
> it’s been said that after 5^d there are no more new combinatorial
> elements for all dimensions. Can someone please spell out exactly
what
> the issues are and why this is true?
>
> I can certainly understand why Noel says that he’ll never do the
4^5
> again. I can imagine that other people might accomplish that if
they
> feel that they can turn in a shorter solution, and I’ll also make
a
> guess that this is the year that someone will solve the 5^5 for
the
> first time. I’m also on record for predicting that it will be a
very
> long time before a second person slays that monster if ever! The
lure of
> the shortest 5^5 may simply not be attractive enough for anyone to
> attempt it.
>
> So please tell us, Noel. What was it like to battle this beast and
did
> it really only take you a week? Any advice for others thinking
about
> attempting to repeat your achievement? And are you *really* going
to
> take a break before attempting the 5^5 or are you just trying to
make
> other would-be solvers *think* that they don’t need to hurry to be
the
> first? No need to answer that last question, BTW. :-)
>
> -Melinda
>
> jwgibson3 wrote:
> > CONGRATS!!!! Fantastic! Although, I must admit, I’m a little
> > jealous. I was hoping I could be first ;) And Noel, your
solution is
> > a great length; it’s shorter than the median solution for the
3^5.
> > I’m still pairing up edges and have reached 4000 moves. Roice -
the
> > finder will be fantastic. It’s pretty mind-rotting looking
through
> > 1000 pieces with the shift key held down hoping the next one is
it.
> > Congrats Noel! And thanks for the new features, Roice!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > John
> >
> > — In 4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com, "Roice Nelson" <roice@> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I wanted to let you all know the Revenge version of the 5D cube
has been
> >> solved for the first time! I just uploaded Noel Chalmer’s
solution to the Hall of Insanity if you’d like to take a look.
> >>
> >> *www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d/hallofinsanity.html*
> >> **
> >> This puzzle has 2560 stickers and 1024 cubies and as best I can
tell from our emails, I think it only took him about a week! But
I’ll let him expound if he’s interested.
> >>
> >> Since they have so many pieces, Noel requested a new feature (a
cubie
> >> finder) to help him out with the Revenge and Professor 5D
puzzles, and this is part of the install now. It is on the options
menu or you can CTRL+F. Also, thought I’d mention redo was added
last year as well (that had been requested a lot so I finally did
it, but I never mailed out about it).
> >>
> >> I hope this finds everybody well,
> >>
> >> Roice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ———- Forwarded message ———-
> >> From: Noel Chalmers <ltd.dv8r@>
> >> Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:43 AM
> >> Subject: Re: small thing
> >> To: roice3@
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Roice,
> >>
> >> Well, I said I’d do it and it’s done. This thing was HARD. I
had a parity error at every step of solving it like a 3x3 and I had
to kind of make up a sequence on the fly that would correct it. I’m
looking forward to the 5^5 where I won’t have to worry about parity!
But I think I’ll take a bit of a break before that.
> >> This is by no means a shortest move solution, I gave up on
trying to have a low move count when I hit the parities. I suspect
that if someone else
> >> solves it they’ll have less moves but that’s fine by me, I
don’t plan on
> >> doing this ever again. Thanks again for the update to the
program, I
> >> couldn’t have done it without your help!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Noel
>