# Message #4164

From: Luna Harran <scarecrowfish@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [MC4D] Complex 3x3x3

Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 11:40:54 +0100

http://www.twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15667

This is the discussion where the puzzle was first invented. Basically, that

big grid of rectangles is every piece, and the black dots on the faces are

what faces turn that piece, and the puzzle contains every possible

combination, from the core that never turns, to the inverted core that

turns with every face.

The six cubes in the top left are analogies that help you see the puzzle.

They are:

A standard 3x3

A circle 3x3 where only the over the edge stickers turn, not the face

stickers

A 3x3 with only wide turns

A circle 3x3 with only wide turns

A 3x3 where all three layers turn together, i.e. only rotations

A circle 3x3 where all three layers turn together

When solving the puzzle, any move is carried out on all six puzzles at

once. You can get a sense of how awful this becomes, by simply taking three

3x3 cubes, and turning face turns on one, wide turns on another, and slice

turns on the third, which doesn’t contain all of the pieces, unfortunately,

or by taking a super 5x5 and making each turn a face plus the middle layer

in the same direction.

I can’t remember where I got the program from, and I can’t find any details

with it, but I’ll be happy to share it on here if anyone’s interested.

~Luna

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018, 00:13 Ty Jones whotyjones@gmail.com [4D_Cubing], <

4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>

>

> I’m actually not even sure what this puzzle is. From the screenshot it

> looks like it has some sort of orientation between the pieces or something?

> I tried a search but nothing really came up.

> -Ty

>

> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 4:35 PM Luna Harran scarecrowfish@gmail.com

> [4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> I know the complex 3x3x3 has existed conceptually for a while now, but

>> has anyone else actually solved it? Because I just did. (1786 moves HTM,

>> heavy use of nested commutators)

>>

>> I believe I have a method that works every time, and is pretty

>> straightforward, but I still need to do a few more solves to finalise it.

>>

>> I’ve included a screenshot to prove the puzzle was scrambled initially,

>> shown by the (1000:1786) at the top, and that it is completely solved.

>> Unfortunately, the program cannot save or export the solution or scramble

>> itself.

>>

>> ~Luna

>> [image: Complex3x3x3SolvedLuna.png]

>>

>>

>

On 21 Oct 2018 00:13, "Ty Jones whotyjones@gmail.com [4D_Cubing]" <

4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’m actually not even sure what this puzzle is. From the screenshot it

looks like it has some sort of orientation between the pieces or something?

I tried a search but nothing really came up.

-Ty

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 4:35 PM Luna Harran scarecrowfish@gmail.com

[4D_Cubing] <4D_Cubing@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>

>

> I know the complex 3x3x3 has existed conceptually for a while now, but has

> anyone else actually solved it? Because I just did. (1786 moves HTM, heavy

> use of nested commutators)

>

> I believe I have a method that works every time, and is pretty

> straightforward, but I still need to do a few more solves to finalise it.

>

> I’ve included a screenshot to prove the puzzle was scrambled initially,

> shown by the (1000:1786) at the top, and that it is completely solved.

> Unfortunately, the program cannot save or export the solution or scramble

> itself.

>

> ~Luna

> [image: Complex3x3x3SolvedLuna.png]

>

>