Message #1088

From: Jonathan Mecias <jonathan.mecias001@mymdc.net>
Subject: Re: [MC4D] 3^4 in 237 twists
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:13:56 -0400

Klaus, thanks for you honesty and respect for Mathew’s solution.

"because in 4D I expect god’s number to lie out of human range unlike in 3D.
Therefore there should be two records. One for humans and one for computers
."
-Klaus
What do you mean by this? and gods number? how do computers solve this?
Won’t that mean that programmers solve it using the aid of other people and
computers and math?

how did you manage to get the solution so low even without the computer
help in solving the 3x3x3? I’m curious now. Is there a thread on this in the
archives? i apologise for my incoherent questions.

jonathan

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Melinda Green <melinda@superliminal.com>wrote:

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> Klaus,
>
> I don’t mean to assert that a solution is computer-assisted simply
> because the puzzle is implemented in software. In the case of MC4D the
> most obvious forms of assistance are undo/redo and the macro facilities.
> The piece finding tool in Magic120Cell is another obvious computer aid.
> I also consider the reset command to be a computer aid. You can see how
> intelligent minds can begin to disagree about just what constitutes an
> aid and the degree to which those aids should or should not matter when
> comparing solutions.
>
> I’ll continue to maintain the existing record categories in the HOF but
> please feel free to create and curate any new categories on the wiki
> that you feel motivated to maintain.
>
> Congratulations on your amazingly short solution BTW,
> -Melinda
>
>
> Klaus Weidinger wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Melinda,
> >
> > I don’t really understand what you mean by "all 4D solutions are
> > computer-assisted to one degree or another". Well, of course you need
> > a computer, because otherwise you can’t run MC4D, but that is no
> > assistance, yet. In my first solve I only used a pen, some sheet of
> > paper, a regular rubik’s cube and one pocket cube. In my second solve
> > I computed one PLL alg for the 3^3, but if I had known 2-look Fridrich
> > and used the same alg or looked it up on the internet, there wouldn’t
> > have been any difference. Therefore I would not call my first two
> > solves computer-assisted.
> > My third solve, however, is computer-assisted, because I would not
> > have been able to solve a 3^3 in less that 30 twists.
> >
> > Concerning the categories, I would suggest the following three:
> > - Without any help of a computer
> > - Computer-assisted
> > - Completely done by a computer
> >
> > If you don’t want to maintain these, I could do the job for now.
> >
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